tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post6464815685358273138..comments2023-12-27T11:23:38.346-05:00Comments on Vanguard Church - Bob Robinson: Dispensationalism vs. the Rest of Evangelicalism on the Israeli/Palestinian ControversyBob Robinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-63411347558208121222007-09-24T16:56:00.000-04:002007-09-24T16:56:00.000-04:00Eschatalogically, that's really a hard call. Too ...Eschatalogically, that's really a hard call. Too much Scripture seems really plain read as relating to a Pre-Mil interpretation, and winds up in the "mystery verses" cabinet when read Pre-, or A-Mil. The political thing though, has come with reports of "Christian Zionist" groups affirming rabbinical Judaism instead of holding to Peter's words in Jerusalem, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Some smart person one time said, "We need to keep the main thing the main thing!" Jesus is the main thing- what do we need to do to carry that forward?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215557199259127287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-40321820870389943442007-08-28T13:55:00.000-04:002007-08-28T13:55:00.000-04:00Thanks, Ivy, for your personal story here. It refl...Thanks, Ivy, for your personal story here. It reflects many of the stories of others who live in the midst of the conflict that Gary Burge shares in his book (mentioned above).Bob Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-65881184210520725492007-08-28T07:58:00.000-04:002007-08-28T07:58:00.000-04:00I was overjoyed to see the larger evangelical comm...I was overjoyed to see the larger evangelical community take a stand for justice. In the past many American Christians supported Israel no matter what they did. I lived in Bethlehem, in the Holy Land during much of the 1980s and witnessed first hand some of Israel's injustices against the Palestinians. This is not to justify terrorism in any way, but the modern state of Israel is not the same as the OT children of Israel. We continually pray for God's peace to reign in the land where his Son was born, lived, died and rose.Ivyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132396587581088115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-85913363500031208092007-08-27T08:43:00.000-04:002007-08-27T08:43:00.000-04:00we don't traditionally. but our church has a mix o...we don't traditionally. but our church has a mix of church backgrounds. so growing up, dispensationalism was taught. not over the pulpit, but through s.s. classes and the like. <BR/><BR/>not ot mention there was alot of YWAM influence in my life from my years on staff therejoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980017442038837632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-54073623208307834352007-08-26T22:18:00.000-04:002007-08-26T22:18:00.000-04:00Joe,Do Mennonites usually embrace Dispensationalis...Joe,<BR/><BR/>Do Mennonites usually embrace Dispensationalism? I would not have thought that was a match.Bob Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-72929857108242945662007-08-26T22:13:00.000-04:002007-08-26T22:13:00.000-04:00Ted and Ron,The best I've read on this is from Gar...Ted and Ron,<BR/><BR/>The best I've read on this is from Gary Burge. There's a couple articles by him in the link at the end of my post. If you want to understand a biblical counter-argument to the Christian Zionist movement, get his book, <I><A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0829815457/103-7788413-6030231?v=glance" REL="nofollow">Whose Land? Whose Promise? What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians</A></I> (Pilgrim Press, 2003).Bob Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-32496017514996404662007-08-26T15:47:00.000-04:002007-08-26T15:47:00.000-04:00Hagee is a classic dispensationalist of the C. I. ...Hagee is a classic dispensationalist of the <I>C. I. Scofield</I> and <I>Arno Gabelein</I> school, and his theology shows that little has changed from their early 20th century biblicism. <BR/><BR/>He runs the same risk of most dispensationalists, when he over-literalizes the text, hence the bizarre politics and theology mix that he displays. They are to be pitied and prayed for, as they have zeal, but <I>"not according to knowledge..."</I>theologienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05999449636939375428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-71280183324832128202007-08-26T00:24:00.000-04:002007-08-26T00:24:00.000-04:00Bob- thanks for the opportunity to participate in ...Bob- <BR/>thanks for the opportunity to participate in this. this has been a journey for me from one end to the other. this gave me the oppotunity to put a little feet to the faith. that was cheesy. anyways, thanks...joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980017442038837632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-6973367164363463852007-08-25T20:11:00.000-04:002007-08-25T20:11:00.000-04:00Ron, Thanks for your comment. I find your thoughts...Ron, Thanks for your comment. I find your thoughts helpful.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-11154167216098522832007-08-25T00:56:00.000-04:002007-08-25T00:56:00.000-04:00Bob. We are to bless and pray for all the childre...Bob. We are to bless and pray for all the children of Israel, but that is not the same as blessing the secular, socialist, militaristic government that currently rules the nation of Israel. The blind support that many Americans and many American Christians give to the Israeli government is quite frightening. It also hardens their spiritual blindness.<BR/><BR/>The irony is that the Israeli nation will not find true security while it trusts in military power and support from its American Big Brother. True peace will only be found when Jacob's eyes are opened and they learn to trust in Jesus. That will also bring great blessing to the rest of the world.<BR/><BR/>More on this in <A HREF="http://www.kingwatch.co.nz/Times_Seasons/iz_three_sons.htm" REL="nofollow">Three Sons of the Farmer</A>.Ron McKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03989126812730583009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-26165887041329293852007-08-24T17:25:00.000-04:002007-08-24T17:25:00.000-04:00Bob, Thanks for all of this. When I get on my own ...Bob, Thanks for all of this. When I get on my own computer, I'll add my name to the July 27 letter.<BR/><BR/>I too was raised in Dispensationalist theological thinking. I still struggle a little with ethnic Israel and what God might be doing with reference to them, as well as his plan of judgment and blessing of all nations. But I see the people of God consisting of all Jews and Gentiles who put their faith in Jesus as Messiah. The church is the holy nation, the Israel of God, I believe.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.com