tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post4339679397541876246..comments2023-12-27T11:23:38.346-05:00Comments on Vanguard Church - Bob Robinson: DA Carson versus the Emerging Church, 05Bob Robinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-69215479866590803852007-03-11T19:56:00.000-04:002007-03-11T19:56:00.000-04:00The sad part here is that while I know that Carson...The sad part here is that while I know that Carson's arguments here are off base for numerous reasons, I do know plenty "mall emerging" folk who do pretty much only read Donald Miller and Rob Bell.<BR/><BR/>I think that Carson's arguments don't hold a bit of water in regard to the thoughtful emerging folk, but the problem is that "emerging" is increasingly becoming an aesthetic, like "punk" or "emo." There's no substance, only the look. That's what I see happening with the white, suburban kids who aren't happy with their parents' megachurch (I know an ever-increasing amount of people like this). They have no idea what it means to be emerging, they just don't want to be square like their mom and dad.thunderbeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640506159777958075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-37510624623815251612007-03-05T15:36:00.000-05:002007-03-05T15:36:00.000-05:00Robert,I think you're mistakenly thinking that I a...Robert,<BR/><BR/>I think you're mistakenly thinking that I agree with Carson on these points. I'm just telling you what Carson said, because the weaknesses of the arguments (I believe) are so apparent. <BR/><BR/>I <I><B>agree</B></I> with you. Everythingbelongs and Matt Wiebe are also stating what I feel needs to be the assessment of Carson's statements.Bob Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-60791165416976153122007-03-05T13:01:00.000-05:002007-03-05T13:01:00.000-05:00Carson said that the emerging Church is attempting...<EM>Carson said that the emerging Church is attempting to be prophetic. However, in order to be prophetic, you must do so from the center. “You only sound prophetic from the margins.”</EM><BR/><BR/>That's an obtuse, patently ridiculous statement. This excludes most of the biblical prophets and more contemporary voices like Martin Luther King Jr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-38208381971986750322007-03-05T10:23:00.000-05:002007-03-05T10:23:00.000-05:00Bob you are falling into the same evil generalizat...Bob you are falling into the same evil generalizations that DA does. The nooma videos are not an end in themselves, they are conversation starters. They are one of the best evangelism tools around for this generation. Check out Ben Witherington's blog for his review of the nooma videos and you will see their purpose more clearly than listeing to DA. <BR/>bobtpaBobThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548338111463870002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7110103.post-70777586547497728172007-03-05T10:16:00.000-05:002007-03-05T10:16:00.000-05:00Bob,Wouldn't you say this is where being "conversa...Bob,<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't you say this is where being "conversant" breaks down? Thinking a new believer "only" reads Blue Like Jazz and/or whatches Nooma videos is just a weird thought. Who can imagine a church that sits around reading Blue Like Jazz and watching Noomas as faith forming activities? This is where the EC people that have tried to engage the Carson's and others get frustrated. Watching a Nooma or reading a Blue Like Jazz does not represent what a year in the life of an ACTUAL church looks like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com